What's Happening at Sage Hill

Transcript of a Sage Hill Live Fully Podcast conversation with Dr. Chip Dodd. Lightly edited for readability; speaker labels omitted.

You're listening to the Sage Hill podcast with Dr. Chip Dodd. Sage Hill is a social impact organization that helps people see who they're made to be so they can do what they're made to do. Hey, Chip. Hey, Stephen. Good morning. Steve, it's 03:00. Okay. What time did you get up? I got about 05:30, 05:15. Oh, that's good. Friday morning, early. That's good. At a St. Hill counseling, leadership team meeting at seven. And I'm sure you don't use an alarm clock. It's just the sun lights you up. Yeah. Because you're just into the rhythm of Well, now the story I tell myself Okay. I am a morning early riser. You are. But the story I tell myself is my grandmother was the was a nurse and ran the recovery of Mineral Hospital for a long time. She had to be up early every morning. Yes. It's genetic. So I have some genetic, like, superiority, which is not true. I just am a morning person. Really, I just like getting up early. You know, you used to think you were a night person, didn't you? No. Never. You've always thought you were a morning person. As soon as a kid, I'd wake up, like, at 05:30 on a Saturday. Like, no one else in my house is awake. I'm like, what? What would you do? I would watch Watch Cartoon City Rollers. They came on before cartoons. So this terrible rock and roll show that came on. I would watch that. That wasn't a cartoon? No. No. And then I would go make myself, like, a Pop Tart.

Right. Hey, do you remember when we would Then I would watch Super Friends. Do you remember when we were Justice League of America. With me, you, Phil, and we were together and we're talking about favorite meals. How how can I forget? You won't you won't not be afraid of it. We were told that last night that your favorite meal was just so bad. Salisbury steak TV dinner. If I was lucky, I got the chocolate bread pudding at the end. On on a TV tray in the basement. Nothing like mama's own cookie. I thought it was a Roateers cheeseburger, which I love Roateers cheeseburger. And then you like that plastic wrapped chocolate No. No. Brownie pudding? No. No. My favorite dessert now is a microwave. Shut up. I'll tell you. My favorite dessert now is a chocolate bread pudding from from Sweet Sixteenth Bakery in East Nashville. Yes. I've realized, because I'm always self analyzing myself, why I love that dessert so much, beside the fact that it's chocolatey and sugary and gooey. Yeah. Which is enough. Is that the undercooked brownie in the Salisbury steak TV dinner tastes a lot like bread pudding now. So and Heather will tease me that because I grew up on overly cooked burnt food that I tend to like things a little like my bread burns. Did you suggest she can't cook? No. She she said if she accidentally burns something Oh. She'll say, that's okay. This is how he likes it.

So the the I don't come from a history of great friends. Do you remember French fries and hot dogs? Oh, I Did y'all have a fry fry daddy? My cousin gave me a fry daddy. Did you not use it? I've never used it. I was scared of just throwing a house fire with all the oil. Oh. Yeah. You you loved a fry daddy, I bet, didn't you? No. My brother had he had a fry daddy, and and we've we would have, hot dogs, and we'd make it. Fried hot dog. No. No. No. We would have hot dogs, boiled hot dogs, and make French fries. Why not put the hot dog down in the fryer? That would be a corn dog. That's what I'm saying. Actually, no. It wouldn't be a corn. It would just be a greasy Corn dogs. I love the breading around a corn dog. Yeah. I don't really love the dog. You just get the hot dog? Yeah. Just eat the bread. Did you ever eat Vienna sausage? Yeah.

Yes. I used to think they were healthy. Because they were little? Because they were meat. It was your sweet meat. Protein. Yeah. Oh my gosh. How are we on this? Man. Baloney? Baloney. I hate baloney. Did you eat baloney? Like salami, hate baloney. I used to really like baloney. I bet you do. And now we're we're Would you have it with the green things in it, like the pimentos? No. The pimento loaf? Oh, no. That'd be impure. Vegetables to your breast meat. Golly. And and yeah, we used to eat all that. Yeah. Food food has a lot of story to it. Have we become, like, aware now? No. Not really. So we We like to eat stuff. You like to think you're aware. I like to think I think Sonya makes you aware. Sonya's made me aware. But I just watched you know I told her as, you know, if something ever happens, like she's, you know, leaves or whatever Dies. Yeah. But I said I said, I want you to know that, I'm not gonna cook. I'm gonna eat all the stuff I used to. Go to Slick Pig every night before. Right. Exactly. I'll eat barbecue and have one plate.

I love that we're talking about this, because there's I'm such a routine guy. You're such a redneck. I thought I thought you were gonna say. You let it slip. Oops. What's a what's a redneck? Why don't you tell me? What's your Describe your life. Why don't you tell me? Oh, you're such a Brentwood little snob. Oh, Brentwood's always the center of the universe, and we like to think so. Have a man of the world. I grew up in Donaldson and moved to Brentwood. Oh, yeah. East Nashville. So I've been around Yes. Yes. With stops in Columbia, Tennessee and Seattle, Washington. Yes. So I'm a man of the world. Yeah. I think this would be a good chance, you know, to give do an update on all the awesome stuff that's happening with Sage Hill right now. We got so many different things going on. Mhmm. You know, I just think it'd be good to run down stuff because when I talk to people, they're surprised,

and I'm surprised when I start telling people what we're actually doing. Do you know do you know before you even start all this stuff we're doing, when, Sage Hill is a social impact organization, that rarely gets, you know, the play. Yeah. That's what Sage Hill is. Sage Hill is the sole impact organization. The mission of Sage Hill, everything we're doing, whether it's the treatment that's called Center for Professional Excellence all the way to, you know, the bookmarks Right. It's all to help people see who they're made to be so they can do what they're made to do. And that's everything about it is infusing the spiritual root system into everything you're about to talk about. Yeah. It is. You you know, one it it it totally is. And one fun thing we're doing is we're trying to play around with social media, which is kind of kind of like us playing around with our podcast with our with our own microphones. And you're my expert. Right? Because because you know what a microphone is. You're the expert. No, Chip. We can use these microphones. I have a computer. Yeah. Thank you, Derek West. Yeah. Yeah. Better let's start a radio station. Let's start a radio station.

But one of the things we we We're frankly good. That's how that that's kinda how it makes it. Yeah. I do. Because I just do. We're inventors. Yes. Yeah. So that's that's interruption's about synergy, isn't it? It can be or it can be about Unless you're married. No. Then it's about an interruption. Oh, we act like an old married couple sometimes. Okay. So one of the things I want to talk about is our ebooks that we're giving away. You wrote a series Our ebooks? Our ebooks. Electronic books that people can download for free. Yeah. Ebooks. But it's just one book. Well, there's one that's coming out every other month until November. Oh, oh, you're calling that one book oh, I see. It's ebooks. Yeah. But we're gonna put it's really one book. We broke it into four parts. It will be later, but it's really Ah, okay. Yes. Four books right now. Yeah. Four books. Yeah.

We're so organized. Yeah. I'm also feeling chip in right now on our Yeah. Our strategy. Yeah. Through our strategy session. So, you know, we released that last month. We've had several downloads of it. I'll just invite anybody that if you want someone to be introduced to kind of the rhythms and the language of the spiritual root system in Sage Hill, these free ebooks are great great ways to forward stuff on to people. They're daily reflections and encouragement about Keeping heart. About how to keep heart. And, really, in a lot of ways, it's something of a even a glossary about what what words mean related to heart that have sort of slipped away or forgotten. Or That's a lot of fun. You know? But we've we've been getting some good feedback on it, and, I think it's a great chance for Yeah. To to it's a great easy access point into the language of the heart for people, you know. Mhmm. Another thing we're doing I think is really cool and and I'm so proud of, it's kind of the thing I'm most proud of right now is the Sage Hill training. Right? And we're launching our next cohort in September. And so, you know, it's limited to 42 people. Yeah. I'm really excited about that. We got people coming from actually all over The United States and maybe found out today, maybe some European entries. People coming from across the pond, as they say. England? Mhmm. Really? Yep. Come to Seychell training. I'll tell you what,

may I interrupt? The, no, Chip's not passive aggressive. He's always healthy. Yeah. Yeah. What voice was that? That's my inner voice. I thought that was that was an FM. People don't even think radio at all. I like to stop doing it. Inner voice. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh, I have three people here today. Satchel training, I've said so many times now. First of all, you putting a stamp of organization on that material is great. And then literally, it wedding, wedding the process and information together is fabulous. It's the way we've done it at CPE. We do group process and we do education around the process. Yep. So I mean, this SACCHO training is just absolute fabulous. Well, it feels like, you know, with CPE and It's a life changer. Well, it is a life changer. Life life addition. Yeah. Really. With everything we've been doing with CPE for so long, twenty

One years. Twenty one years. And with Satchel Counseling, you know, the training really becomes our first real preventative effort where we're trying to catch people before they Or even identification of a need for more A need for more help. Yeah. Actually. So I'm really proud of it because it it it's a way to engage people before they maybe need counseling or certainly before they maybe need treatment or helps them become aware of some things they can get further growth in. Oh, you know, I think from the standpoint of leading having leadership in one's own life. Well, that's what it's really about. Yeah. Is is And that can't help but be effective from the standpoint of helping others see who they're made to be so they can do what they're made to do. You know, live in relationship with yourself, God, and others. Yep. You know? So, yeah. Sage Hill training is really good. It is really good. It is really good. And we set it up so that the first level, we call it what do you call it? Modules. Modules. But first module is about you with you. The second module is about you with others. And the third module is about you with God. Yep. So check it out. So check it out. Yeah. So check it out. Satcheltraining.com.

Another thing I'm really excited about that's brand new that no one knows about is the new CPE podcast that you and Phil are going to be doing. Yeah. It's a chance to dive deeper into recovery, 12 step material. And you know, something we haven't talked about much, there hasn't been, I think, a real good connection between CPE and Sage Hill, but out of CPE, out of, well, me starting CPE has come the spiritual root system. Our spiritual root system has grown Stephen James and Sage Hill and the social impact organization, which is a way of taking what we're doing here in deep treatment Mhmm. Into really more of daily life and home. So, yeah, I'm really looking forward to doing a CPE podcast for all the alumni who have been here or who want to share, the podcast with other people to talk about recovery,

living life fully. Anybody in TeamSTEPPS recovery can really identify with it and find it valuable and really help them work their program better. Yeah. And after what, I think it is a great opportunity too for just, you know, people interested in life because if you don't know about addiction, frankly, you you don't know how about you don't know about life. So so Satchel Productions is launching its second podcast. Okay. Yeah. I love that. And, you know, the real S HP. SHP. I'm not ship. The real treat in it though is Phil Herndon. Absolutely. You get more Phil. The number one request we get on the podcast is Where's Phil Herndon? More Phil Herndon. More Phil Herndon. So, the the public has spoken and we are answering with the CPE podcast. Yes. In fact, we planned after that the third launching of SHP will be the Phil Herndon Show. Oh, Phil and all of his alter egos. Phil has about seven alter egos. Phil could do a whole radio show by himself. And you won't know that he's by himself.

No. That's that's down the road. Yeah. Yeah. We also got coming up the Giraffes on Ice book Yeah. That we're working on this summer. Yeah. And just for years, people have asked For for a parenting book out of the spiritual institution. If you're interested in being part of the pre launch team for that, we're going to select a few dozen people to get early drafts of the book, blog about it, share about it. So if you're interested in that, you can email somebody at Sage Hill somehow, and Sage Hill Counseling or Big Sage Hill or Sage Hill Training, Sage Hill Workshops, through any of our websites and ask to be part of that launch team coming up in the spring of next year for that book. That'll be a lot of fun. Yeah. And we've done

two, what do you call it? Not conferences, but do you have two Or like workshop conferences too. And are we you still planning to do one more? We've talked about doing one more. I think we're gonna wait till the fall Okay. To do to do one more. We've done one in in Memphis. We did one in Murfreesboro. Yeah. And speaking of Murfreesboro, I'm really excited about this. Sage Hill Counseling is returning home to Murfreesboro, Tennessee where it all started. Yeah. So this month is in June. I don't know when the podcast the podcast will come out in July, but in June, we opened Sage Hill Counseling Murfreesboro. And so now we've in the Nashville area, moved to military. Exciting. It's it is very exciting. Yeah. It means a lot of people won't have to drive to Nashville. It means that a lot of people from Murfreesboro don't drive to drive to Nashville. And Murfreesboro has grown up enough, really, that it's it's it's really its own city now, you know? And I know that's gonna offend you. Steve, man. You gotta be kidding me. I know. But I know professionals that drive from Nashville to Murfreesboro now. Did you know that? Drive from Nashville to Murfreesboro. To Murfreesboro to go to work. Yeah. Yes. And then people actually are talking about wanting to live there.

Oh my goodness. Oh, it's so funny. So you hear me here, you hear me not laughing. Oh, I hear you not laughing. I hear you not laughing. But if you know people in Murfreesboro, Rutherford County, Smyrna, you know, that kind of places, we we finally have a place of for people to go and engage spiritual root system counseling. Right. Really good therapists too. Yep. And we'll be growing there, and I'm excited about that. Any other big changes you want to talk about? Yeah. I'll tell you what, we're launching, and this is not something you would necessarily be all excited about me talking about, but we're we're actually putting up Anthem to the Invisible on, lightning source. So Oh, no. He's really talking about that. It's my inside voice again. Yeah. I know. I know. I tell you, I I I believe somebody will champion this book. Someone's gonna like this book. I believe somebody will champion the book, and I I I think it's a SHP, in the waiting. It's a H. O. Production movie in the waiting actually too. But But I think it's an important The story is actually a really good story. Yeah. And look, it's an allegory. It speaks to the heart of how we're made, and it speaks to what happens if we don't deal with that. And it I think it's an imperative for our time. I I really do. I really do. And I know you look at me, but Yeah. I'm not I'm not laughing. No. I I just anyway.

For me, you know, I've said this I don't know if it says on the podcast, but I've said it to your face often, is you'll say something, and I'll look at you or disagree with you or wonder where you're coming from with that. Yeah. And then like three years later, I'll go, god, like, you were right. Well, I hope so. I I really I I like it. I just I want I want it in people's hands. At least I'm putting it up. It's available. It's there. It's a Sage Hill resource material. Yeah. And it's a call to show up. It's important. Society needs people of heart. It does. Now more than ever. What's going on now in our world, we do need people to show up in the context of their own story, their own heart, and be who they're made to be, do what they're made to do, give it to other people, push back. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Something else too, Stephen. There was something else. One thing I'm excited about, and I'm doing more and more of it, is is organizational corporate consulting stuff. It is so fun to start bringing this material of heart into the context of business. Mhmm. You know? And and we've we've dabbled in that for years. Right? And this last year, it's been a real focus of mine. I've gotten to work with some really interesting companies, leadership teams, and it's it's fun seeing what's happening in that space, and I think we'll have some stuff to announce later around that. Yeah. But it's really fun seeing how, really, business and the heart of business is coming alive through people who want their work to mean more than just money. Mhmm. Right? They want it to mean something extra, and they really believe that bringing the principles of heart and boundaries and passion and purpose

into into the organization makes a difference. Yeah. Then the the one thing, it's it's on the drawing board is the, I'm doing a a book called Fourth Dimensional Living. I thought we were doing that book, Chip. Is that gonna be your book? Yeah. I believe Yeah. I believe I've already written the That's gonna be Chip's book. This will be the last podcast I do my inner voice. But Jeff, the 12, the 12 movements for leaving heart behind Yeah. In your life. Yeah. That for for other generations. Oh, that's great. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Beyond space and time. Beyond space and time. Yeah. So that's what we got going on. A lot going on. Mhmm. A whole lot going on. And a couple of things we're not ready to announce yet, but some big things are as well. I'm not telling you on the podcast. You know what they are. And so, but I I'm really excited about, you know, the CPE podcast. You know, you and Phil have been pouring yourselves deeply into the field of professional recovery, 12 step recovery, addiction recovery for, I mean, you, almost thirty years. Yeah. Right? And the the wisdom in that space that I think that we can begin to provide through Sage Hill and the CPE podcast, I think, could be really awesome. Yeah. And, you know, it's it's it's it's not it's not just,

thirty years of my professional experience. It's thirty years of what I've been taught. It's amazing the things that people have taught me that I get to speak back into them over and over again. Oh, I love that. It's just been amazing. We are not our own. No man is an island. Alright. That's what we got going on. Hey, Steve. It's good to see you today. Good to see